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My original comment was not defending any attempt to strip citizenship from those born in the US under the 14th Amendment.

No executive order can override the Constitution.

My point was narrower: when people bring up “due process” it’s important to recognize that not all persons receive the same level of due process in every context. Courts have long held that undocumented individuals and particularly those subject to expedited removal or caught at the border have limited procedural protections compared to citizens



My point is that everyone's natural born citizenship is irrelevant if the executive can act so quickly (or against defendants so poor or so ill informed) that the means to dispute deportation are unavailable in practice


Got it

All I am advocating for is better safeguards that Congress must pass not throwaway the entire structure by allowing local injunctions.

Understandably people are upset but point the anger at the right branch. Executive is operating within its legal parameters and the legislative branch needs to operate within theirs. Congress needs to provide better safeguards


>Executive is operating within its legal parameters

Huh? Since when is issuing executive orders that attempt to contravene the plain language of the US Constitution, something that's clearly illegal, "operating within [the executive branch's] legal parameters"?

Whether Congress is doing its job or not (I'd argue they're not representing their constituents in any meaningful way -- hell, I wanted to vote against my congressman since I was moved into his district in the last two elections, but he ran unopposed) is irrelevant to a blatantly illegal assault on US citizens by executive order.

There are plenty of things to take Congress to task for, but executive orders (you know, from the executive branch) aren't one of them.


Not excusing bad executive orders.

The remedy should come through the right constitutional channels: lawsuits, appeals, congressional action. The concern I raised is about courts going beyond their own limits to impose broad fixes when the real solution lies with Congress or SCOTUS.


You misunderstand the situation.

The SCOTUS ruling is about Preliminary Injunctions[0], which aren't remedies and they aren't permanent.

They serve to prevent harm while litigation progresses. This isn't something new, nor (until very recently) has it been very controversial.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Injunction#Preliminary_injunct...


I do not misunderstand the situation

Preliminary injunctions have long been part of the legal system and their role in preventing harm during litigation is well recognized. The recent ruling does not eliminate preliminary injunctions

The case at hand addresses their scope and the authority of district courts to extend them beyond the parties involved in a specific case

The only thing I have consistently raised is maintaining that structure so courts operate within defined authority

It’s about time that SCOTUS reigned things in




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