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Well, people have never lived longer and basically starvation and even hunger for many people has been eliminated. People are far more likely to get sick from eating too much and acquiring a disease than they are from any of the things you’ve mentioned.

Everything is a tradeoff I guess. The question is if this is a good one and if so how can we make it a better one. Alarmism is going to fall on deaf ears when the reality isn’t as bleak.




Almost 10% of the population don’t have enough food even though we produce more than enough for everyone.

https://www.actionagainsthunger.org/the-hunger-crisis/world-...

It’s not even that we’re destroying the planet and our health so that everyone has enough.


They aren’t starving by and large which was my main claim. Just compare today to 30 years ago to 60 to 120. Massive improvements in all relevant metrics. We’re doing the right things is the only way to interpret the data. Doesn’t mean perfect but certainly fertilizers and plastics and petro-chemicals have been a massive net positive.

Has it gone down to 10% thanks to maniacally ultra-sterilized foodstuff, quadruple dipped and wrapped in PFAS, or gone up from somewhere to 10% over the course of the last century? No way the latter is the case.

There’s no way you can send rotting food waste to the 10% without food.


Parent claimed

> basically starvation and even hunger for many people has been eliminated

That's false unless by "basically" they mean "everyone but 750 million people.


…and these things are the direct result of plastics?




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