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This is what you get for using Discord, and for having friends who choose to use bad software. It's a self-inflicted First World Problem.


"Sorry, we can't be friends anymore, you use bad software." Look, I guess I kind of get what you're saying, but unless you're Stallman this kind of lifestyle just isn't viable. Real people just want to use the thing that's easy to set up, good enough for their uses, and most importantly already popular. Network effects are a real showstopper for those of us who'd like to move to FOSS alternatives, and when the options are to either use the popular thing and communicate with our friends, or insist on the FOSS thing and isolate ourselves, it takes more zealotry than most of us can muster to commit to the latter.


> Real people just want to use the thing that's easy to set up, good enough for their uses, and most importantly already popular.

In reality this is not one app, but Skype AND Facebook Messenger AND Discord AND Zoom AND Teams AND Whatsapp AND ...

I am really glad that the EU is now requiring messenger bridging by regulation, so people don't have to install an ever-increasing number of spyware apps, just to be able to talk to their families, friends and colleagues.


I really hope this message bridging regulation is more widely adopted and atleast I can move to a Foss alt


Companies with a market valuation above €75bn will be heavily fined if they try to skip this.


I really like how people striving for freedom in software are always ready—and eager—to take away the freedoms of companies they don’t like. “I want to be able to do whatever I wish for with software I use, but I don’t want people who make software to be able to do anything with their own products”, huh?


Like slaves were ready to take away the freedom to own slaves from slave-owners.

In today's world it is not a real choice to avoid BigCorp platforms if you want to work and communicate with the rest of society, so society should have a right to at least set some boundaries, otherwise we are allowing BigCorps to set the boundaries for society instead.

What I like most about these new rules is that they are specifically limited to big companies, so smaller companies are not hit by too-hard-to-comply-with-for-smaller-companies regulation, but customers are protected from BigCorp overreach.


"i want to do whatever I want" as a customer. most of the people who hold this opinion are a. only talking about things which have a very high network effect. no one says they want legislation to force adobe to make photoshop open source, or even work well with gimp or anything. this is only for communication software. b. mega corpos with billions of users take a more prominent position, and as uncle ben said, with great power comes great responsibility. we just want the responsibility. imo it should be like this: you are allowed to excercise your right (write software as you want to) all you want unless it interferes with someone else's right (to use whatever software they want to use). while facebook doesn't force me to use WhatsApp, the network effect associated with it does.


The freedom to choose what software you use is more important than the freedom to make your software a walled garden.


Freedom to choose what software you use is completely different than having the freedom to force developers to give you features that you want.

You do have the freedom of software choice already.


My school makes me use Microsoft Teams. In order to communicate with my classmates, I have to use Facebook Messenger. The new law will hopefully resolve that. Are you expecting me to drop out of school instead just so I don't have to use proprietary software?


Not when you can't go to university or get employed without using ms teams.

Or buy second hand without facebook or their properties.

Or contact businesses without facebook.


> You do have the freedom of software choice already.

Not on iOS (until next January when regulation kicks in)


only a sith deals in absolutes.


Human rights are for human beings. Corporations are not people. They're just made of people, like Soylent Green.


IMO a little Stallman is a good thing. Are you installing any random app when someone asks you for contact details?

How will you find out that the person actually has Telegram if you don't refuse Facebook and WhatsApp first?

Is it actually relevant that you use the same social platform as all your friends do? Or is it actually possible to just not and still be friends?


i have been holding out on installing whatsapp for as long it was an active service. i use a "business" number to get work contacts to send me stuff but never my personal phones.

i am anxiously waiting for the EU dma to be enforced so that finally i can use my matrix to connect to whatsapp/snap/fb/insta users who want to connect to me, right now they cant and its a bummer but i've stubbornly stuck to this.


I think you'll be disappointed in your specific situating. The regulation doesn't seem to force the communicators to be both open protocol and open federation. Unless I misunderstand it, Apple, Google and FB having a private federation between each other would satisfy it too.


https://element.io/blog/the-digital-markets-act-explained-in...

this explains it nicely. i dont think private federation would cut it


That's awesome, thank you for the correction.


I didn't have friends before Discord existed, so I never had a reason to use it. Network effects don't mean shit when you lean into capitalist atomization.


With an attitude like that I'm not surprised


This is what you get for having friends.




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