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> I think the reality for any product that has >7,000 employees working on it is that some people's job is to prioritize growth at all costs, some people's job is to prioritize the effects of on vulnerable people, and the vast majority of them have other jobs to be doing.

Growth at all costs should be no one's priority.


... it's not at all costs though, that would be easier, because then the situation would be more obvious (legibility is important, so is plausible deniability)

so of course "growth hackers" (or whatever the folks responsible for growth are called nowadays... other than CFOs and CEOs), simply they are the ones whose judgement and "worldview" regarding whose responsibility is to manage the negative consequences of their increased revenue is very skewed, in other words they mostly have elaborate self-serving explanations (excuses)

and many times that overlaps various user freedom arguments, arguments against paternalism, etc...


He said Element X missed Spaces & Threads.

> Anyway, the first goal listed in this project was to move to European sovereign solutions so Zulip failed at the first hurdle.

Element Creations Ltd and The Matrix.org Foundation CIC are UK companies.


Element Software SARL and Element Software GmbH however are not. In practice I believe it's Element Software GmbH providing the European Commission deployment of ESS. (Both are owned by the UK topco, but at the current rate we might flip one of them to be the topco instead).

Subsidiaries mean nothing. Microsoft have EU subsidiaries also. And might means might not.

The UK is in Europe. Brexit didn't float the country out several hundred miles.

The Declaration for European Digital Sovereignty defined digital sovereignty as the EU and its Member States' ability to act autonomously and to freely choose their own solutions, while reaping the benefits of collaboration with global partners, when possible. The UK is not the EU or a member state.

Part of Russia is in Europe. Do you believe Russian products were considered?


And this comment chain adds what exactly?

It’s pretty obvious why the UK is considered more European than the US, and equally obvious too why Russia is not considered in that tent.

Pretending it’s not just so you can disagree with a comment adds nothing and is an example of why HN is so often a tedious place.


The EU's definition of digital sovereignty included collaboration with global partners. It is obvious why UK companies could be considered more reliable global partners than US or Russian companies. A muddled concept of European was not needed to explain it. If where an open source solution was developed mattered even.

The article said secure communication with other EU bodies was a use case.

Mattermost's license statements are confusing and contradictory.[1]

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46861331


The McNamara fallacy (also known as the quantitative fallacy), named for Robert McNamara, the U.S. Secretary of Defense from 1961 to 1968, involves making a decision based solely on quantitative observations (or metrics) and ignoring all others. The reason given is often that these other observations cannot be proven.[1]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McNamara_fallacy


True, TSA has been very valuable in airline safety. Think of it as "soft terrorism prevention".

Most sarcasm worsens discussion. The comment guidelines say Don't be snarky.[1]

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html


Its not snarky. Grok if an awesome alternative view if you accept that you should use your brain to make your own opinion and not just accept wikipedia (which can be wrong) as truth.

Your comment was more duplicative than the article.[1]

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46899292


And yet here we are

TUI web browsers exist. But many sites are not usable.

Gemini is a newer protocol influenced by Gopher.[1]

[1] https://geminiprotocol.net/


The World Factbook was updated weekly. This was because facts changed.

Every time an article like this gets posted some commenter INEVITABLY brings up "isn't this solved because AI" and god it is so depressing. Apparently a whole lot of people out there existing in the world genuinely think fucking LLMs are going to be reliable stewards of knowledge.

We are fucking cooked.


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