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If you edit your comment to add punctuation, please let me know: I would like to read that final pile of words.

I did try, I promise.


Ok here: Everything from the semiconductor through the vacuum cleaner, automobile, airplanes and steam engines was developed to give a small group an advantage over all the other groups. It has always been the case, it will always be the case.

Fundamentally, at the root nature of humanity, humans do not care about the externalities, either good or bad.


That's a slightly odd way of looking at it. I'm guessing the people developing airplanes or whatever thought of a number of things including - hey this would be cool to do - and - maybe we can make some money - and - maybe this will help people travel - and - maybe it'll impress the girls - and probably some other things too. At least that's roughly how I've thought when I make stuff, never this will give a small group an advantage.

But the whole point is embedded in the task otherwise you wouldn’t do it

If somebody is using monetary resources to buy NFT‘s instead of handing out food to the homeless then you get less food for the homeless

All of the things listed are competitive task situations and you’re looking for some advantage that makes it easier for you

well if it makes it easier for you then it could make it easier for somebody else which means you’re crowding out other options in that action space

That is to say the pie is fixed for resources on this planet in terms of energy and resource utilization across the lifespan of a human


Vacuum cleaner -> sell appliances -> sell electric motors

But there was a clear advantage in quality of life for a lot of people too.

Automobile -> part of industrialization of transport -> faster transport, faster world

Arguably also a big increase in quality of life but it didn't scale that well and has also reduced the quality of life. If all that money had gone into public transport then that would likely have been a lot better.

Airplanes -> yes, definitely, but they were also clearly seen as an advantage in war, in fact that was always a major driver behind inventions.

Steam engine -> the mother of all prime movers and the beginnings of the fossil fuel debacle (coal).

Definitely a quality of life change but also the cause of the bigger problems we are suffering from today.

The 'coffin corner' (one of my hobby horses) is a real danger, we have, as a society, achieved a certain velocity, if we slow down too much we will crash, if we speed up the plane will come apart. Managing these transitions is extremely delicate work and it does not look as though 'delicate' is in the vocabulary of a lot of people in the driving seats.


This is where the concept of trickle down economics came from though and we know that that’s not actually accurate

I used to hear about this with respect to how fun funding NASA would get us more inventions because they funded Velcro

No it’s simply that there was a positive temporary externality for some subset of groups but the primary long term benefit went to the controller of the capital

The people utilizing them were marginally involved because they were only given the options that capital produced for them


> If you tax too much wealthy people, they will leave

Are we not tired yet of the various versions of the Reaganomics boogieman? When are we going to grow out of trickle down economics mentality?


The problem is black-and-white thinking that ignores reality.

There are different kinds of wealthy people. Some built their wealth through talent and luck. Some inherited it. Some gained it through state cronyism and clientelism.

Some own scarce assets (like real estate). Others created new assets (e.g., startup founders).

You can dislike Elon Musk, but his owning a large stake in Tesla doesn’t make others poorer. That’s not true of a landlord who corners housing supply in a city.

Wealth taxes are essentially revenge taxes without a clear objective. France tried one for years. It was costly to administer, riddled with exemptions, encouraged avoidance instead of productivity, and sustained an industry of tax specialists. The revenue was largely recycled into clientelist spending, sometimes increasing the wealth of the same elites (e.g., via housing subsidies).

If the goal is to curb land hoarding, implement a land value tax. If it’s to reduce dynastic concentration, tax large single-heir inheritances more heavily and lower the rate when estates are widely divided. If it’s to reduce cronyism, cut state spending, simplify regulation, and strengthen competition.


> Isn't it just so much easier to make sure that wealth isn't concentrated in so few hands?

Except for the fact that, without first solving the problem you responded to, yours is impossible to solve


Not to mention strict limits on advertising of these products, licensing required to sell them, and very highly taxed.

If that's not enough, in the US we created a federal level agency that oversees 3 things only. Two of those things are alcohol and tobacco. And the third thing isn't even regulated half as much as those two.

Why on earth anyone thinks these things are unregulated is beyond me.


This psychological effect has a name and I always forget it.

EDIT: Baader-Meinhof phenomenon. I Think anyone can be forgiven for not remembering that name.


> they're able to probabilisticly guess at

That's not how encryption works at all. At least not any encryption used in the last 100 years.

You'd probably have to go all the way back to the encryption methods of the Roman empire for that statement to make sense


I have to assume you have never worked on security cataloging of third party dependencies on a large code base.

Because if you had, you would realize how ridiculous it is to state that app security can't be assessed until you have read 100% of the code

That's like saying "well, we don't know how many other houses in the city might be on fire, so we should let this one burn until we know for sure"


What you are saying is empirically false. Change in a single line of executed code (sometimes even a single character!) can be the difference between a secure and non-secure system.

This must mean that you have been paid not to understand these things. Or perhaps you would be punished at work if you internalized reality and spoke up. In either case, I don't think your personal emotional landscape should take precedence over things that have been proven and are trivial to demonstrate.


> Change in a single line of executed code (sometimes even a single character!) can be the difference between a secure and non-secure system.

This is kind of pointless, nobody is going to audit every single instruction in the Linux kernel or any complex software product.


It sounds like your salary has depended on believing things like a partial audit is worthwhile in the case that a client is the actual adversary.

Except Meta is not an adversary. They are aligned with people who want private messaging.

Brutal sarcasm.

> It's fiat wealth so... write the ledger however

I'd like to see a serious study about the word "fiat" and whether it has been used to make a single valid economic argument in the last 30 years (auto maker excluded)

Just kidding, I know it has not.


The whole point of it seems to be to dismiss the entire economic system in favor of something that almost nobody has bought in to like bullion or cryptocurrency or somesuch for the benefit of the speaker. Currency, even paper currency, is one of the most pervasive societal "grand illusions" that we share. But that isn't necessarily a bad thing as it greases the entire system of exchange for literally everyone everywhere.


Well, history has those uniquely medieval (or early modern) situations where kingdoms adopt fiat currencies just before they fail. I dunno how much academics discuss those.


Well, history has those uniquely medieval (or early modern) situations where kingdoms adopt fiat currencies and don't fail. I dunno how much academics discuss those

Yeah, so funny how they say "fiat" but never say "shiny metals"

The judges of validity will be the architects of the current system.


Originally the word "hacker" made no distinction between the two meanings. This site is pretty old, so you're right, it was intended in the original "Kevin Mitnik" sense (the original hacker, who ironically would fall outside of the modern definition)

The modern acception focused on online computer security came much later. That meaning is neither the one used in the name of this site nor the one that would be relevant to this conversation.

To summarize: today's hackers are also yesterday's hackers, but yesterday's hackers may or may not be modern hackers.


Mitnik is in no sense “the original hacker”. Ever heard of Cap’n Crunch?


The Guinness book of world records listed Kevin as the world's most notorious hacker, not the first.

They did retract they record for its lack of objectivity.


What a bizarre comment. What part of it was "not human" in your opinion?


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