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We are the target of this propaganda, and I don’t mean the Scottish independence stuff. The US and Israel are jamming the airwaves with anti-Iran propaganda to manufacture consent to attack Iran. Every day we’re being subjected to a ton of this stuff on every channel (including HN).

It’s certainly not working on me, but I fear far too many of us are just taking these stories at face value.


I don't believe in that and it sounds totally out there, yet it's far less extreme than infant genital mutilation.


That's my point. Yes it's tongue-in-cheek. No I'm not an SCP version of a "furry" or "otherkin" who thinks that their make believe universe is real.

It's an analogy for the INSANITY of the current acceptance of mass circumcision uncritically by the masses.


You don't need a "Ketar class SCP object", simple conflict of interest from the Medical-Industrial Complex will do.

All those skin banks could turn into liabilities instead of profit centers, since preservation of the product is also preservation of the evidence.

A functioning government would waltz in, keep the power on, start sequencing the tissues and cells to identify at least some of the victims, and do this in a transparent and public way.


Are those victims not capable of identifying themselves if they feel they were indeed victimized?

(but for context, my own view on the subject is "Let's wait a hot minute before we go cutting parts off the baby")


The problem is evidence, its not like those urologists like incriminating themselves. Even though my trauma occurred in hospital, its not in my medical file. How does one even start to file an official complaint if it didn't happen according to your medical file?


Thank you for elaborating! Your original comment was abstract and high-handed, but this makes it clear you're coming from a place of wanting to solve your own specific problem.

Practically if you know you were circumcised shortly after your birth, can't you look at the record of your birth and subsequent care, make a list of doctors that attended or treated you in any way, and then make the complaint about all of them?

(this isn't arguing against your point, just exploring the problem)


You are making assumptions, I was effectively infibulated (by "partial circumcision") after a false diagnosis, age 11, where I clearly conveyed I did not want to before it happened.

I know the name of the urologist.

I go to the hospital as a young adult, made an appointment with another urologist at the same hospital (to prevent myself from ending up in jail).

I ask her to check my medical record, it's not there.

She proposes to check the record under my mother's name: nope, under my stepfather's name: nope, my father's name: nope, and my father didn't even know it happened.

Meanwhile the university had some recent philosophy thesis paper that tried to answer the question why no one in my country has sued any urologist regarding circumcision, their conclusion? some random psychological stuff.

Psychological? the suppression of evidence (or access to the evidence) is not something that happens in my head, but in the real outside world.

I my case I know the name of the urologist, but we are denied access to legal evidence.

And why would they incriminate themselves? its not like they "woops-what-are-my-hands-doing" accidentally put the sample of foreskin in the sterile packaging again boy after boy, and "woops-my-arms-uncrontrollably" put it in their fridge until the medical courier picks it up, and remuneration magically follows without these surgeons understanding what they are doing. Of course they perfectly know what they are doing. It's organised harvesting of foreskin tissue. Why would they incriminate themselves with a paper trail? How naive the rest of society can be: we know these people select their profession because it is an auspicious hidey hole.

And this is in a hospital setting.

Now reread the posted article, every time people argue to only ban religious settings they pretend there is no trauma in hospital settings. The real reason is they want to lucratively harvest the tissues for themselves. It's a limited hang-out every time. Journalists either aren't doing their job, or are being censored by their superiors.


“Users” are the only people who matter. Companies are artificial constructs and, in an ideal world, would never be prioritized over the public.


If they provide value, people will seek them out.


How? If you don't advertise, no one can see you.


How did people that had something to sell do it before advertising?

The problem again is greed. The organic way is too inefficient so advertising needs to come in and make people rich instead of letting the product do the convincing naturally, word of mouth and so on.


Advertising is as old as humanity itself. Asking what people did before advertising doesn't make sense.

Also, word-of-mouth advertising is, as the name suggests, a form of advertising.


If I need something, I’ll find it.


Just one counter example: gh.de


Not really a counter example: gh.de is a pure advertising platform.


That’s not a problem for the customers though. Capitalism twists our incentives toward prioritizing return on investment over quality of life. Especially now with the internet, I literally never need ads. I just search for the solution to the problem I’m having. No push needed (or wanted).


> I literally never need ads. I just search for the solution to the problem I’m having. No push needed (or wanted).

I want to agree with you, but you only think you're not seeing ads. Obviously, the SEO corruption has made everything you search for distorted by irresistible economic incentives of tilting the search results and search engine in favor of promoters.


Oh I agree. I don’t want or need to see ads, I currently do though.


Yes, and if you ban ads then you can expect a lot more underhand marketing as the companies peddling their goods will try and find another way to reach you.


How do you search? Google? That's typically part of marketing spend. It may not be pure ads as in I pay google, they display my ad. But it's still a company spending money to get their result to the top so you are more likely to see it.

Ads solve the discovery problem. Without ads, people still try to solve the discovery problem and try to get your attention. Are those methods still ads?


> Without ads, people still try to solve the discovery problem and try to get your attention. Are those methods still ads?

examples?


- Paying for product placement on store shelves and movies

- SEO optimization to get to the top of the search result page

- Paying influencers to use their product

- Paying people to post on forums about the product

- Sending / sponsoring reviewers


X is basically a propaganda arm for Israel at this point. It’s obviously under control of a nefarious state actor.


Which is odd considering how much of X is owned by the Saudis.


Palantir is a tech company.


This doesn’t change the fact that you are hyper focused on Israel


You have it backwards, Israel is hyper focused on the US government, media and tech industry. I’m just one of their victims who’s had enough.


You can call yourself a victim of whoever you want, but that doesn't change the fact that from the perspective of other HN users, you are hyper focused on posting stories about a topic other users aren't interested in. Those users are flagging your stories. If you don't want them to flag, find stories about topics they are interested in, or find a site where people are interested in a non stop of stream of "Israel bad, US bad, <thing u like/support> bad, <thing I like/support> good" etc.


This is news, not propaganda. Palantir was involved in the pager attack.


I’m in the US, which also happens to be the target of Palantir spying.


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Attacking another user like this will get you banned here, regardless of how wrong they are or you feel they are. No more of this please.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html


@dang this comment clearly breaks the site guidelines.


Whatever you think of Oct 7th, it doesn’t have anything to do with tech. Posts like these do.


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