Actually, it kinda is? Who's verifying that all the lessons are teaching actually correct info, instead of bullshit?

The initial moat will be enormous, because it's such a difficult problem.

Eventually, it will become more of a commodity-level task, but by then most of the big incumbents will already be very established.

Yeah, that's basically the opposite of what I'm saying. The problem is enormously difficult, but it won't be solved as a problem in itself, it will suddenly become solved as a side effect of better AI, exactly like numerous cognition-related problems got suddenly solved with the advent of LLMs. And we've seen that there are many players working on better AI, and the main ones all maybe one/ two years away from each other. Self driving will become commoditized much before any of the early players can make substantial amounts of money out of it. Compared to LLMs, it's even worse, as self-driving can't really get superhuman and people will happily settle for whatever works acceptably well (where acceptably means at the same level as a good human driver).

It's already been solved city by city, so I don't know what you're talking about.

Cool, so where can I buy a car in which, wherever I am, I can comfortably sit at the back knowing that it will take me to destination like a good driver? Or that I can summon to come to pick me up?

You can't, because the only actually autonomous cars right now are robotaxis.

Ah, and why so? Why are they introduced city by city?

To verify they can operate safely in any given city, and because you need operations staff and resources in every city for a robotaxi service.

Same reason Tesla is doing it that way.

Okay, so the video is just random predictions? Why should we believe any of this is true?

I regularly bike, which is why I'm hugely in favor of self driving cars; they're way safer for me when biking than human driven cars.

They've already talked about this new hardware many times, this is just announcing that said new models are starting fully driverless operations.

Waymo announcements tend to be very incremental, each one is only a small change from a prior known state. They seem to operate an attitude of least possible surprise, probably to avoid spooking anyone about scary robocars.

Waymo already has a teen mode for this.

Yeah but I mean consumer versions I can use in my semi rural area. I doubt we will have a Waymo taxi service out here anytime soon.

This is about the opposite of reality. Tesla is way behind in actually deploying autonomous vehicles, and other robotaxi makers with real deployments besides Waymo also use lidar.

Yeah millions of miles per day in autonomous driving for Tesla. Yes it's still supervised (somewhat, you don't have to pay much attention anymore) but the technology is absolutely there and just being refined at this point.

Waymos are geofenced, restricted to certain roads, and have remote humans in the loop at lot more than most people assume.

Not actually autonomous until it can be more or less trusted to handle itself, without constant human supervision. Until then, it's just prototype or testing miles.

Tesla's current robotaxi deployment is also geofenced and monitored by humans -- moreso than Waymo, even -- but of course Tesla superfans always conveniently leave that out of the narrative.

I don't think you understand that the level of autonomy that anyone with FSD currently has. It drives itself for hours with 0 interventions. Someone did a coast-to-coast drive with no interventions. Yet yeah somehow I'm just a confused fan and you're not biased by politics?

They will turn of the supervision requirements soon, and suddenly there will be hundreds of thousands of teslas that can drive themselves.

The skepticism is hard to get.

> Yet yeah somehow I'm just a confused fan and you're not biased by politics?

Yes, because you're confusing "can generally make the decisions necessary to drive by itself" with "can be trusted to drive by itself with a non-attentive human occupant".

> They will turn of the supervision requirements soon

Oh, totally; this year, right?

The complete lack of self awareness is absolutely astounding.

Yeah it’ll happen this year. Please mark my words.

Waymos get stuck in weird situations every day. They need intervention, even on their guardrails. FSD is of course not perfect, but yes they have obviously cracked the code (it’s obvious if you use it or get beyond the groupthink here), and are being cautious with turning off supervision requirements. As they should.

> But I wanted something that at least tries to teach you the language instead of teaching you to play a language-themed game.

I'm interested. What's the fundamental difference here, that actually pushes you to learn the language in a useful way?

> The problem with these is always who pays for fraud.

I'm curious how India's UPI handles fraud/refunds, as the system seems to have garnered near-universal praise.

India’s UPI is national service so fraud is “relatively easy” to combat but it depends on banks’ responsiveness.

However, i heard from my Indian friends is that UPI fraud is on the raise and becoming a big challenge.

Edit: UPI fraud rate is similar to CC fraud rate but only about ~6 % of the money lost to UPI fraud has been recovered. If this trend continues (fraud pct continues to grow and recovery rate does not improve) UPI system might get into trouble.

Btw, the stats say that the UPI fraud rate is doubling every year for past few years.

Surely the EU could pull off something similar to what India did with their instant payments program? That system seems to have garnered near-universal praise: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Payments_Interface

What a uselessly pedantic response.

Are they solved, in practice, in the real world? For users in general? No? Then what's the point of discussing it right now?