"Mexican saffron", harvested from a plant unrelated to the crocus family. And completely devoid of saffron's flavor.

And yet they called my motives "unnatural".

Ironic.

Go find that unicorn. Make your first $100M.

Also: that's a completely different issue to "describing its presence as 'artificial'". Needs a new thread.

To point out how confusing this is: If you add a knife tip to a cow carcass to extract the steak, that is adding a highly artificial substance to the food at some point.

Likewise if you use steel balls to tumble-crush shells into calcium carbonate powder (don't know if they do, or if it's even a product, but neither are the point here).

"We are required to inform this table that your naturally wild-caught salmon had, briefly, at one time, a small hook inserted into its mouth. It was otherwise wholly without artificial feed nor other additives."

How do you write a law that slices between those ideas and hexane, clearly?

On a case by case basis that generally aligns with common sense. Most people can instantly recognize a hook and knife are very different from adding a solvent to food. Drug laws are a good analog for this. I don’t think the universe of possibilities in this space is prohibitively large.

You can probably begin by broadly calling petroleum and petroleum products artificial.

There's a rich heritage and history of solvent-based foods. Vanilla essence, sloe gin, etc.

Ethanol would probably be classified as a natural solvent. The edge cases fall off very quickly, this can definitely be done on case by case basis without introducing onerous bureaucracy.

Even if it were distilled from petroleum?

Ethanol is not distilled from petroleum. Industrially it is produced by distilling plant sugars and starches.

It can be distilled from petroleum, and there is the key distinction that wasn't answered - are "natural" ingredients ones that could be made by "natural" (I'm assuming that "biochemical" is meant here) processes, or are they ones that are made by "natural" processes? Or is it just petroleum that is the problem?

Where does salt fall here?

Why isn't petroleum natural, when it is plant-based?

A good starting point would be to broadly classify petroleum and its products as artificial.

Apologies for so many questions, this is a very interesting line of reasoning.

What makes petroleum artificial compared to any other substance found on (or in) earth?

It seems you are proposing that "any food that has had a petroleum product added to it at any stage is artificial", which is an oddly narrow focus.

For that matter, does this definition of "artificial" extend to the range of substances that can be synthesized with bio-feedstock?

To expand on our discussion, would this mean that ethanol made other feedstock is natural, but made from petroleum is artificial?

The joke, that was.

Will HN have the balls to ban you for misrepresenting the Quran? That isn't in the Quran.

You got me! The Hadiths that explain the Quran, then.

I've known rakes who've married prudes. I myself can't fathom it, but... opposites attract.

As do large dowries.

> The average person gets a fair amount of it.

You chose poorly in choosing the adjective "fair", which can be read morally. But that aside, yes, rising GDP does improve middle-class incomes.

Peer-reviewed implies a certain minimum level of authentic research, but it doesn't guarantee much of it.

Exactly. "And that's why Asians are from Jupiter and Westerners are from Mercury."